Sheikh Nazim al-Haqqani

Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation with Dr. Abdul Mawgoud R. Dardery [MP], Spokesperson to the Foreign Relations Committee of Freedom and Justice Party, Egypt (A9 TV , April 9th, 2013)

Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation on A9TV dated April 9th, 2013

 

OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening our dear viewers. Tonight we have a highly esteemed guest on our program. Dr. Abdul Mawgoud R. Dardery from Egypt [is here with us]. He is the spokesman of the Foreign Relations Committee of the Freedom and Justice Party. He was educated in the US. Welcome, Dr. Dardery.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R.DARDERY:  Thank you. Thank you for having me here. I am very happy to be here with you.

OKTAR BABUNA: Please you go on Master, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Welcome Sir, you've brought us grace, you've brought us pride.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: Thank you.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. We are on the eve of the Unity of Islam, on the eve of the union of Muslims. Days are passing by very fast. Developments are taking place very fast. And our respectable guest Dardery, is one of the lions of the Unity of Islam. He is one of those people who are very eager for Turkey's union with Egypt, those who want us to become brothers in no time, who want peace and safety to prevail in the region, who want the understanding of Islam in the time of the Companions to prevail. It is love, peace, brotherhood, friendship, goodness, beauty, science, arts, aesthetics, democracy and people living in enthusiasm and in joy; that is the Islam of the Age of Bliss. We are in accord with our Master Dardery about this matter. Is that right?

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY:  Insha'Allah. Insha'Allah. It really makes me very happy to be here in Istanbul, to be here in Turkey. This is the first time for me to be here. And I am discovering great new things. I am so happy every place I go, everyone I meet, they are all happy that I am here and I am also bringing the good news and the greetings of all Egyptians. Especially I am coming from Luxor, the city of Luxor, the ancient city of Luxor. And everyone in Egypt is bringing his "salam" [greetings] to you, to the people of Turkey, the great people of Turkey, to his Excellency Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and to the President of Turkey. We are very happy of the progress you've made in the past ten years. We look forward to Turkey as a great model for all of us. And we hope we can have better relations and strengthen our relations, especially after the great Egyptian revolution that made great news all over the World. The Egyptians in millions went to the streets to demand freedom, dignity and social justice. And with these three great principles of Islam we are happy to share this with everyone else on the face of the Earth, especially with our brothers and sisters in Turkey. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Now, if I can be pardoned to ask, is our Master's party, a party like the AK Party [of Turkey]?

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: There are lots of similarities. This is the first time for us to visit so we are discovering lots of similarities between the AK Party and the Freedom and Justice Party. We have a lot in common. We have a similar vision and we have a lot of love among Egyptians and Turks in general. Your Prime Minister, His Excellency Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is very famous in Egypt. And I also said today to the Governor of Istanbul [that] if Recep Tayyip Erdogan would run in Egypt, he would win the election in Egypt. So based on this love, love of history, love of Islam, this love of the contemporary challenges and love for the future; we will be able together, the people of Egypt and the people of Turkey, can do lots of great things together, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Allah, Allah! Allah Allah! So that means if our Master Tayyip were to step forward, this matter would be done with. Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah. That is a good news, that is a very good news. Our Master Tayyip is a very beautiful person, he is very good natured and very well mannered. He is compassionate and merciful. The fact that the Egyptians love our Master Tayyip deeply increases our love for you in folds. Insha'Allah, may Allah make your party prevail. That is because [your party's] point of view is moderate, loving and reasonable. I mean, as you know, the AK party is against those who are looking down on people. I mean they are against those who –may Allah forbid-  take no notice of the people. Previously, there was such a mindset in  certain people. I mean they thought that there is the people and they are to be ruled and there are those who are in the lead. What did our Master Tayyip say? "I came from among the people and I am merely a servant of the people."  Right? He said, "I am the soil and you are the head. Our people is my patron." He has such a style. Since you also step up with the same mentality, that is great. That means that the mindset of the AK Party will become widespread among the Islamic countries. Later on we will all unite, by the leave of Allah. What is the mindset of the AK Party? It is a modern understanding of Islam. I mean if we get to the root of it, if we search for the one who brought forth the modern understanding of Islam to Turkey, we would come across one single address.  That is because it is apparently seen that Islam will not be prevailing with the traditional point of view. However, love, compassion, mercy, rationality, democracy, science, arts, aesthetics, loving people, humility, being the servant of the people; such a mindset is bound to come to power. Those who present love to people instead of violence, those who do not oppress the people, those who are strongly against the oppression of the people, those who protect the Marxists as well, those who protect the communists, those who watches over the Jews, those who watch over the Christians and those who protect and watch over all those as their own citizens, those who regard them all as a first class citizen, those who do not make any discrimination. Look, this is a mentality that regards everyone as a first class citizen; one that treats Christians just like Muslims, one that treats Jews just like Muslims, one that treats communists just like Muslims; a mentality that does not make any kind of discrimination in serving, one that embraces everyone, one that shows compassion to them all; a mentality that spreads the understanding of compassion and mercy in Islam to the whole world. That is great. We will lay out our rugs by the banks of the river Nile and roast meat there and dine all together by the banks of the river Nile, insha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY:  Insha'Allah. Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah, we will listen to the Arabic music, insha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY:  Insha'Allah. And we will drink Egyptian tea.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: And you remind me of the great similarity between our President, President Mohamed Morsi, the President of Egypt, who was the first President to be elected in seven thousand years. First time for us as Egyptians, we have a democratically elected President, President Mohamed Morsi. And the similarity between President Morsi and his Excellency Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan are very similar. They are very great in saying almost the same thing. Our President of Egypt says that he is also the servant of the People and both of them remind me of what our Prophet (saas) said; Sayyid al-qaum khodimuhum. [Meaning] 'The master of the people is the servant of the people.' I am very optimistic that since I came here, and I hope more people of Egypt can come and visit Istanbul. We would like also more people from Turkey to come and visit us in Egypt, visit us in Luxor. People in Egypt and Luxor, they have the love in their hearts of the Turkish people. They have the love in their hearts of the Turkish experience. Turkey can become a great model for Egypt  nowadays and as you stated very clearly it is all coming from Islam. The loving, the brotherhood, the compassion, the mercy for everyone living in Egypt will enjoy the same rights. Muslims, Christians and Jews and everyone else, they will live as equal citizens and this is what we believe in as members of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Freedom and Justice Party that we are all one community, we are all one country and their mission and the vision of us is to be able to serve each and everyone in the country equally. Everyone is treated equal in front of the law. And this is our message; it is the message of Islam.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Look what I have received from Egypt, let me show them. One.. two.. three.. four... where are we [which camera], well four..  five..  six, look from that one, for instance, a great tea can be made..  Well that is seven and that is not the end of it, eight.. we have more, it is not finished, nine.. ten.. Masha'Allah, that is eleven.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: This is all coming to you from the great land of the Nile, the Nile of Luxor and this all grows in Luxor.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: This is just a symbolic gift for our brotherhood and sisterhood in Turkey.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. By the banks of the river Nile, while we are having our discourses at night, we will make tea from these and drink.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY:  Insha'Allah, we will do this, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. Masha'Allah. So do we agree about the Unity of Islam? We will form the Unity of Islam, Muslims will form a unity and we agree about this, don't we?

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: In principle of course but it is going to take a long journey. We  have a lot of things to do, we need a lot of work. What we have now, there is one great thing that we have now, is the love in the hearts of the Egyptians to the people of Turkey and that is very strong and that is a good beginning to start with. And we need to take it gradually step by step. We really need to learn from your experience. You really achieved things way more than the Egyptians did. And the Egyptians came later. Egypt and Turkey I remember ; it is like the mother and a child. We need to be able to work together. We need to be able to stay together. And we have a lot of learning to do. And we are planning to do this learning, but both of us have the love in the hearts and the minds of each other and that is great enough to start with, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: We are in complete agreement with our Master here. Let us unite and have it done with. Let us unite! What is the harm in it? He should give a promise to me and let me hear.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY:  We are already united. We are.. We all have this love in our hearts. Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala states it clearly in the Qur'an. Inna hathihi ommatukum ommatan wahidatanwaana. [Surat al-Anbiya; 92- This nation of yours is one nation.. ] So we are one ummah.  But this is in spirit. But in reality we need to do a lot of work. We need to be able to check into our institutions, our different agencies, our different organizations. We need more people from here to travel to Egypt and visit us in Egypt and Luxor. We need many people from Egypt to come and visit you here and Ankara and İzmir, so that we get to know one another because we really for the past two hundred years we were away from one another. It is time now with our two democracies. The good thing is we have two democracies, flourishing democracies. And I believe that if we allow the two democracies to get to know one another more, we will be able to build more bridges of understanding. We love it and we will do it together insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: I understand that our Master here is giving political responses. In a roundabout way, I believe but I guess he agrees with what I have said. By the Will of Allah, by the Will of Allah.. Once we have the love of Allah, once we love each other for Allah, Egypt is ours and Turkey is yours. We are here and you are there, that doesn't make any difference, we are brothers and sisters. Just like different rooms of the same house, just like different rooms of the same house. You can come here and we can go there, we are one big family, we are a family. Insha'Allah. Of course there will be individual states, there will be different nations. Allah says; "I have created you as nations, as people." But Allah says that He created us like that so that we can get to know each other, so that we can love one another, insha'Allah. I seek refuge with Allah from the satan. For that reason, the time for the Unity of Islam has come. And it won't take too much time. I believe that this will be all done within a few years insha'Allah.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah Master.

ADNAN OKTAR:  That is because there is no reason for that to take time. We will cancel the passports, we will cancel the visa requirements and that is it, there is nothing else. And we will say; "We are all Muslims, we love one another, we are brothers and sisters." Muslims are each other's brothers and sisters, Allah says so in the verse. And we approach everyone with compassion. We do not want war. We do not want conflict. We do not want terror. We want all nations to be stronger. For instance Egypt should be rich. Jordan should be rich. Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria should be rich.  Turkey should be rich. But America should be rich as well and so should Russia. Let us make this World a place like Heaven, it [this World] is big enough for all of us. There is no reason for war. They are creating conflict out of nothing. Does our Master's party or does our Master here agree with what I've said? Let me hear this from him.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: Now in principle, I do agree with what you're saying. We really need no conflict, we need to be able to build on the good relations, on the history we've had together and on the love, on the faith, we need to [do this] really. But at the same time, we need to be practical. We need to take things step by step. Because there is a lot of learning. We need to learn a lot about the Turkish. What happened in the Turkey in the past 200 years. And you also need to learn what happened in Egypt in the past two hundred years. In Egypt for example, we were occupied by the British. The British changed our educational system and many other systems in Egypt. So we would like to be able to learn so that we have a strong base. It is going to take us some time to do the learning. And I believe that we will be able to do at the end of the day, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Since our Master is a politician, it is not always so easy to ensure the flow of the conversation. He is always giving political answers.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: And also I am not really playing politics here and I am not trying to be a politician. But I am trying to be practical. I am trying to take things step by step. Let me share with you this story. When I was running for the election, that was the first time for me to run for election in Egypt. People would ask me;"which model would you like to present to the Egyptian people?" I told them it is the Turkish model that I like to study, that I like to know more about it. And once we study it, we know more about it, then we can take the best practices of the Turkish experience back to Egypt and this is exactly why we are here. We are here really to learn, to get to know you, to get to know other organizations, to get to know the Government. Today we met with the Governor. And we met with the Deputy Mayor. And we had great time and I think we still have a lot of learning to do. This is not really a political statement. But this is a practical statement.

ADNAN OKTAR: That is nice. You've done the best thing that can be done. Yes.. Actually if we were to give our master Tayyip to Egypt for one year, Allah knows the truth, it seems that the matter would be closed completely. Just one year. Right? Everything will be solved. But of course our Master Tayyip is necessary for us.  Let me see and come up with a solution insha'Allah. Yes.. How did you like our Governor?

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: Oh, I loved him. He is a great man. And I promise to invite him to Egypt and he accepted the invitation. And we have a lot of Projects to work together. He is a man of faith. He told us that you have a long way to go and you need to sleepless work more and you will be able to do the best as we did in Turkey here. He is a great man: I am really proud that you have a great Governor like him here in Istanbul. He has two great characteristics. The first is his love for "Haq", for Allah. And his love for "Halq", for the people of Istanbul. And he says we really have to make this connection with the people. We have to be able to serve the people. We are not here to control the people, we are here to serve the people and he gave us great lessons of what a governor should be. And we are planning to take this with us to Egypt and share it with our Governor, share it with the people of Luxor as well, and the people of Egypt insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: This is also my conviction about our Governor, however now that I have heard the same from you, this has also been a confirmation for me. I have said this. I said that about our Governor. Indeed, no such governor has ever been assigned to Istanbul, until now.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah. You really have said so Master, Masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: He is a superior person, he is a very blessed, a highly esteemed person. He is radiant, his face is radiant. He has such a high moral standing. His character, his personality is also very nice.  His love for the ummah [people] of Mohammed (saas) is very nice. He has no haughtiness. He has no arrogance. He does not look down on people. He is like the soil. He is a man of service. He is very good mannered. May Allah give him a long life, may Allah give him more beautiful, even higher ranks. We do love our governor a lot. Masha'Allah. May Allah guide him on the true path, may Allah make him all radiant. Masha'Allah.

I am a bit cold here. Well it has dropped to 25°C, as the first time in our history. That is not acceptable. Turn on that machine and let me see. The weather should be like it is in Egypt. It should be hot. Let us create a natural environment here. 

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Egypt is a little bit warmer than here. It is a little bit cold here.  And two more things the governor said today. He said to us; what makes you happy makes us happy and what hurts you hurt us. And he spoke this ummatic language. That I was surprised about. I and the delegation were really surprised to hear him speak of the ummah. It is not just of Istanbul, it is not just of Istanbul and Cairo or Istanbul and Luxor, but he spoke of Indonesia, he spoke of Somali. He spoke of Algeria, he spoke of Tunisia, of Libya. He is a man who has a big heart and he has a great vision. I congratulate you for having a Governor like this.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Alhamdulillah. But you also are looking at him with the radiance of faith, you are showing the profile of a perfect Muslim. Because your heart is full of love for Allah, that beauty is felt instantly. Look at his affection.  As soon as he met the Governor, look how he felt love for him with the radiance of faith. See how our Governor loved him when he saw him for the first time, with the radiance of faith. What is the common denominator? Love of Allah. Once you feel love for Allah, such an affection forms, such a beauty forms. That is what we aim for with the unity of Islam. When Allah is loved fervently, all the Islamic World loves one another with such a fervent love.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: When they do not feel love for Allah, Allah ruins those people. When they love Allah, Allah makes them brothers and sisters and connects them to one another, gives affection, Allah gives them richness, Allah gives them serenity. Allah takes away anarchy, takes away terror. Otherwise pain, grudges, sufferings and scourges rain down on people, may Allah forbid. For that reason, we will submit ourselves to Allah with love and affection, insha'Allah. What is the position of our Master's party in Egypt? 

OKTAR BABUNA: Master, the elections will be held in October. He says; "In the elections, by the Will of Allah, we will have about 40-50 % of the votes." And there is another 20% of votes coming from the Muslims, so with about 70% votes, "We will have a strong power," he says, by the Will of Allah, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: With Allah's help! If they are anything like the AK party, then there is no problem. However, our Master here pronounces the AK Party in a different way, he says A-K party? That is a very marvelous way of pronouncing, I too will pronounce it like that from now on. Masha'Allah. May Allah give you success.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: Amen, Amen.

ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah be your Helper. We are by your side, we are your supporters.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD  R. DARDERY: Thank you.

ADNAN OKTAR: This manner of speech is most beautiful. I believe that the AK Party will support you as well. I mean Turkey, as a state, will most probably support you. It appears like that from their tone.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Thank you.

ADNAN OKTAR: Any sincere, rational Muslim will be supported by Muslims. Well. Masha'Allah. Look, our Governor said, "We are not only working for the 75 million people of Turkey, our efforts are for the whole Islamic World. We are praying for all our Muslim brothers and sisters five times each day." See that he prays for five times a day.  What does this mean? That means we have a Governor who prostrates [before Allah]. Masha'Allah. We have a radiant Governor. I congratulate our Prime Minister for assigning such a beautiful Governor. Look, people ask, "Why have you brought the AK Party to power?" Well, that is the reason why we brought them to power. Right? We've brought them to power because they have such a beauty, because we see such beauties in them.  Masha'Allah. Well.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY: Very true. If I may share with you, the story of Egypt, modern Egypt. For the past hundred years, Egyptians were not allowed to live according to Islam. But in 1928, there was a strong movement in Egypt by the man, the Imam Hasan al-Banna. He started this movement so that Islam can come back to the hearts and minds of people. We stayed for the past eighty some years trying the best we could to live Islam. When the Egyptian revolution took place, the majority of Egyptians participated in it. Muslims, Christians, men and women, young and old, all participated in the revolution. And we presented ourselves to the People of Egypt under three principles. The first one; "Allahu Ghayatuna" Allah is our objective. "Wa Rasulu qudwatuna." And the Prophet, the Messenger of Allah is our model. "Wa Al-Qur'an Dusturuna." And the Qur'an is our constitution. This is how we presented ourselves to the people of Egypt. And the people of Egypt welcomed us, voted for us, put us in Parliament so that we can serve them. And we are planning to do exactly that. I think we took that revelation, that understanding, that vision from the experience of the AK Party here and from the experience of good Muslims all over the World insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Look he says A-K Party. That is a most beautiful name.  Yes.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: And what we hope for in modern Egypt is to have an Islamic democracy, have equality of all citizens and have social justice for all. So many Egyptians suffered in the past hundred years. And it is time now for all of us, as Egyptians, to be able to live as equal citizens and enjoy the social justice of Islam insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. What are the political groups active in Egypt at the moment? Great political groups? 

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: There are many other groups because Egypt was under occupation, so there are two main forces. There is a secular force, secular opposition, and there is an Islamic one.  The majority of the Parliament and the majority of the people in Egypt prefer an Islamic solution, an Islamic alternative. But there is a sizable minority in the opposition. And they are either liberals or seculars or leftists, or nationalists or socialists. These altogether are forming a front, one front and there is the Islamic front on the other side that has people all the way to the right, all the way to the left and we are in the middle. We prefer the middle way because this is what we hope Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala wants to be moderate, middle. " Wakathalika ja'alnakum ommatan wasatan litakunu shuhada Ala alnasi " [2/243- n this way We have made you a middlemost community, so that you may act as witnesses against mankind]

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Look at the beauty of Arabic. Is there any other like the Arabic language? Masha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY: Alhamdulillah.

ADNAN OKTAR: It is the most beautiful language. It is the language of Paradise, as you know. Insha'Allah. Masha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY: Amen. Amen.

ADNAN OKTAR: Bring me very technical information about the political situation of Egypt tomorrow so that I can view it.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: And there are the Salafis, aren't there? What are their views, the Salafis?

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY:  Yes, the Salafis, they were the part of the old regime. They are people focused on the specifics of Islam, they focus a lot on the details of Islam and they represented about 15 to 20 % of the votes in the last election. We don't know if they will be able to gain that 15 to 20 % this coming election. They may get less, between 10 to 15 % of the votes. I think through dialogue, and through conversation, we will be able to work together and find common ground with the Salafis. We really in Egypt would like to have a common platform. We would like to be able to work with the Salafis, the Al-Wasat party, we would like to be able to work with the leftists, with the nationalists; we would like to work with all Egyptians. We don't want a … Egypt is for all Egyptians.  We would also like to work with the Coptic Christians. And in Egypt as well we would like Egypt to represent all Egyptians so that we can build a better alternative, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let me mediate your relations with the Salafis. You can then go to the elections as one single list.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Hopefully, insha'Allah. We have a lot in common with Salafis. Sometimes they are hardliners on certain issues. We would like to soften them little bit so that we keep the moderate alternative. I think we have a lot in common with the Salafi brothers and sisters.

ADNAN OKTAR: You can leave that [softening] to me. Insha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: The leader of the Salafis is a very nice young man. He is an intelligent, modern young man. By means of him, we can be useful to Salafis, insha'Allah. A dialogue is needed, conversation is needed. They have very good intentions. But of course your good intentions, your humaneness, your loving attitude certainly have a very positive effect on them as well. Let us unite you. Let us unite.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY: In fact there are couple of parties who belong to the Salafi front. There is Al-Nour, there is Al-Watan, there is a Sahwa. Couple of other parties belong to the Salafi trend. And we have a lot, we have working relations with them and maybe when you visit us in Egypt we will have you meet with the Salafis, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Now you should come and be my guest again in the near future. Let us have the leaders of the Salafis here as our guests as well. Let us talk together and solve the matter fundamentally.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Insha'Allah, we can think of it as a possible project, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. Let us do that.  That is because it is not like it used to be before. Even if some people might appear to be stern, when you talk to them they can be persuaded to a rational line. What is important is the love for Allah, love for the Prophet, being just, being rational, being loving, taking love as a basis, being forgiving and merciful, putting forth the merriness, the humility, a good intentioned approach and humane spirit of the time of the Companions. And being very compassionate towards Jews and Christians, embracing them as well. In my opinion, there is an artificial separation, there is no need for that. Calling out our Salafi brothers and establishing a much more stronger, an unshakeable power in Egypt would be very nice. That is my opinion. Yes.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Insha'Allah. Insha'Allah, it is a good idea.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY: And we can look into it and we can study it, insha'Allah. And we really have a lot in common. We have no less than seventy to seventy five percent in common. We have may be 80 % may be 90% in common.  And ten percent of difference. And we have a beautiful principle. The way we deal with different groups, not only Salafis but also nationalists, secular liberals, leftists and so on. We say to everyone; "let us work together on what we agree upon. Let us forgive one another for what we cannot agree upon." [Arapça] It is a great rule it helped us a lot. We don't have to agree on everything. We can agree on, we can work together on, what we can agree upon. There are certain issues we may not be able to agree upon. Let us put them aside and focus on what we can agree upon insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: With Allah's help. With Allah's help. Without any delay, without any further delay.. That means Almighty Allah is showing His promise to people at this moment, in this century. Rasulullah (saas) says that in the End Times the Ummah will unite, that they will form a union and that Islam will prevail in the whole World. Furthermore he [our Prophet (saas)] says that the Jesus Messiah (pbuh) will descend. Right? Almighty Allah says; "He is a Sign of the Hour," for the Jesus Messiah. And Almighty Allah says; I seek refuge with Allah from the satan. "And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Rising." So Allah says that Muslims will prevail in the World. And He says; "There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in you before you die.. " “...before you die…" I will make them believe in you He says. And in Surat An-Nur, verse 55, Almighty Allah says that He will make Islam prevail in the world.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Allah says that very clearly. The time for the realization of Surat An-Nur, verse 55 has come, insha'Allah. That is the case in Morocco, in Tunisia, in Algeria, in Jordan; they all have rational people, beautiful people, loving people. We should all come together, the whole Islamic World should unite, let Israel be very comfortable, let us take down those walls of Israel, let those protective walls be removed, let the police barricades be removed, let us remove the walls surrounding Palestine. Palestine is now like an open-air prison. Many small prisons have been formed in many different places. Let us take those walls down so that Palestine can be comfortable in the region from one end to the other. Let us take down the walls of Israel so that Israel can be comfortable in the region from one end to the other as well. Egypt, Turkey, Mediterranean, let us turn all those places into an inland garden. Let there be happy, merry children all around. Let us have discourses together, let us perform our religious observations and let us live in merriness. For the appearance of the Mahdi, for the establishment of the Unity of Islam, Bediuzzaman gives the clear date of 1400 (according to Hegira calendar). In the Treatise of Light, he (Bediuzzaman) says that it will happen in the year 1400. He says "If the double "lam" and "mim" letters are counted twice, the individuals who will break over the darkness a century after this one, might be Mahdi and his students." And that gives the date 2010. 2010… I mean Bediuzzaman states those dates as the years the Unity of Islam will liven up and start to work with purpose and vigor. In the Damascus Sermon, in the Omayyid Mosque, he says "... may be not now but 30 or 40 YEARS LATER, in order to fully equip science and, knowledge acquired through arts, science and skills.. " and he refers to the year 1980. " By Allah's Will, He will demolish them AFTER HALF A CENTURY." And he refers to the year 2000. After the year 2000, Bediuzzaman says that the Unity of Islam will be established and he says that Muslims will present themselves as one single community in the world. He says by forming an alliance with Christians , by forging an alliance with the Christians, Muslims will wipe  the system of the dajjal (antichrist) from the face of the world.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: So this is done by forming an alliance with the Christians, not separately, but together. That will be done with compassion, with science, with love and with affection. The time Bediuzzaman refers to has come. The time has come. These are the portents of that time.  May Allah give you success. May Allah open your way. Insha'Allah, we may be able to see you as a Prime Minister. Then our task would be much easier.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: I would like to be a servant of any place in Egypt. I remember when I was doing my PhD in America, we used to say, "When there is no justice there is no peace." And we used to walk in the streets of America and say, "no peace, no justice." We would really like to see justice everywhere on the face of the earth. We would like to work with everyone. All the oppressed masses in the world, they need to be able to gather justice and they need to be able to feel their dignity as human beings because Islam teaches us, that the dignity of each human being - each human being has a dignity. "Walaqad karramna banee adama  al-al Malaike" We have dignified, Allah has dignified  human beings over the angels because we have the ability to choose the right thing or the left thing. And the challenge for us as Muslims now, Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala, describes us; "Kuntum Khaira Ummatin ukhrejut lil-nnasey" "- You've come to be the best ummah produced for mankind." The verb produced is a passive verb. Produce; so who is the Producer? The Producer is Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. As long as we stick together to the rope of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala "Waiatasimu bihabli Allahi jamian" [Surat Al-Imran; 103- Hold fast to the rope of Allah all together, and do not separate.] then we will be able to achieve this greatness of the Muslim ummah and I see it happening. It is going to take us some time, and Muslims have to do the work. Let us not wait for any miracles here or there, but let us , as Muslims, individuals, every Muslim, men and women work together, love one another because love is very important: Rasullullah (Saas) teaches us that "La yu'minu ehadukum hatta yuhibbe liehiyhi ma yuhibbu linefsihi." So we really need to produce lots of love among one another and then we can move forward, insha'Allah, in the right direction. Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. We are in complete compliance with our Master here, so there is no problem. Masha'Allah. Surat An-Nur, verse 55- I seek refuge with Allah from the satan. A'udhu billahi min ash-shaitani r-rajimi, bismillahi Ar-Raḥman Ar-Raḥim.  "Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good.." look, those who believe and do good… they need to be sincere and honest. Almighty Allah says, "I promise you, if you do that, if you behave sincerely and if you have faith, I promise you, He says. Allah says that He is giving them glad tidings. ".. that He will most certainly .. "Allah says you should not have any doubts.. "...make them rulers in the Earth as He made rulers those before them.. ".. who are those before them? The Prophet Solomon (pbuh) and Dhul'Qar'nayn.  ".. make them rulers in the Earth as He made rulers those before them .. " look "..make them rulers and those in power in the Earth". "..in the Earth.. " look, Allah does not say in Turkey, in here or there, or in Egypt. What does Allah say; "..make them rulers in the Earth." In the whole world.  Allah will make them the rulers of the world. "..  and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion, - the religion of Islam- which He has chosen for them,".. the religion of Islam. Allah says that religion will be reinforced and established. It will not collapse. ".. and that He will most certainly, after their fear.. " These are anarchy, terror, wars, occupations, economic crisis, scourges, all kinds of pain.. " and that He will most certainly, after their fear give them security in exchange.." that will be a complete security. Our Prophet (saas) says, "Two women, five women without a man accompanying them, will be able to travel anywhere they like." That is a hadith. ".. they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me;".. Look Allah gives us the details here. They are not idolaters, they do not associate aught with Allah. ".. they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me;" Look, Allah stresses on the associating partners with Allah and says that they [Muslims] will be acting only according to the Qur'an. ".. and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the transgressors," says Allah. Look, Allah has given the glad tidings of the world sovereignty of Islam. The total of the numerical value of the letters in the part ".. make them rulers in the earth" gives the date 2013.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: 2013. That gives the date of this year. Look; ".. make them rulers in the earth" That is a verse from the Surat An-Nur. The abjad calculation of the letters from this part of the verse gives exactly 2013. Of course, it is not a religious obligation to believe in this but that is surely significant, that is surely a sign. Insha'Allah. Yes, may Allah be pleased with you. Let our Master here make a final statement and then we can end this conversation, insha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R.DARDERY: Since I was young, I learned that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala created me for a mission on Earth. And my responsibility is to be able to live according to the guidance of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. My biggest challenge, number one, is to understand the guidance of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala; number two is to be able to live this guidance, so that I become a good example for the guidance of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. Number three is to share this guidance. So number one is to understand it, to live it and to share it with others. That is how Islam came about, that is how Muslims spread Islam all over the world; by example. And Rasullullah (saas) teaches us [Arabic] "Religion or Islam is how you interact with other people." Tell me how you interact with other people, I'll tell you what type of religion you have. So what I call upon my brothers and sisters in Egypt as well as in Turkey, is really to understand Islam, the guidance of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala for humanity. That is number one. Number two, for all of us we need to try to do the best we can to live this message. This message of God to all of humanity. Number three is to share it. Share it with wisdom, share it with love, share it with compassion. I think if we can do this, we will, insha'Allah, together all of us, Egyptians and Turks, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, or Dr. Mohammad Morsi, the President of Egypt or his Excellency the Prime Minister of Turkey, we will be able to be successful in this life. But this life is only limited; we would like to also be successful in the Hereafter. May Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala guide us to live good life now and to live in the Hereafter, in Paradise, insha'Allah. Thank you for having me and special thanks for the people of Turkey from the people of Egypt, insha'Allah. And we need to work together, we have a long way to go. Let us work together so that we achieve success for us in this life and, insha'Allah, success in the Hereafter. Thank you again. Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. That is a most beautiful speech, a most beautiful statement.  May Allah give us the blessing of having such discourses in the gardens of the Paradise as well, insha'Allah.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah.

Dr. ABDUL MAWGOUD R. DARDERY: Insha'Allah, insha'Allah. 

2013-04-12 20:34:50

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